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Marianne Moore thinks so, doesn't she?

I, too, dislike it: there are things that are important beyond all
this fiddle.
Reading it, however, with a perfect contempt for it, one
discovers in
it after all, a place for the genuine.
Hands that can grasp, eyes
that can dilate, hair that can rise
if it must, these things are important not because a

high-sounding interpretation can be put upon them but because
they are
useful. When they become so derivative as to become
unintelligible,
the same thing may be said for all of us, that we
do not admire what
we cannot understand: the bat
holding on upside down or in quest of something to

eat, elephants pushing, a wild horse taking a roll, a tireless wolf
under
a tree, the immovable critic twitching his skin like a horse that
feels a
flea, the base-
ball fan, the statistician--
nor is it valid
to discriminate against 'business documents and

school-books'; all these phenomena are important. One must
make a distinction
however: when dragged into prominence by half poets, the
result is not poetry,
nor till the poets among us can be
'literalists of
the imagination'--above
insolence and triviality and can present

for inspection, 'imaginary gardens with real toads in them', shall
we have
it. In the meantime, if you demand on the one hand,
the raw material of poetry in
all its rawness and
that which is on the other hand
genuine, you are interested in poetry.

Marianne Moore

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.
. Did you follow her drift?biggrin

A problem I've worked on without success is the above line "...imaginary gardens with real toads in them."

She has it in quotes: where does it come from? (I've tried for years to find it.
Or is it meant to be a hypothetical sample of poetry?)
Another like like this--"(to a kitty in a garden))...you are no tiger in Mozambique..."

Any help appreciated and imaginary reward offered.....

.



-- Edited by jaimesan3 on Tuesday 8th of March 2011 03:55:00 PM

-- Edited by jaimesan3 on Tuesday 8th of March 2011 03:56:36 PM

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wow, well i don't know

except i like imaginary gardens with real toads in them 

and i suspect

real gardens with imaginary toads


i did realize a couple months ago that i like listening to poetry even though i rarely settle myself in the speeding time i live in to sit and read it...

i was listening to "Writer's Almanac" on NPR, and G. Keeler read a poem...it was just right to listen to as I was driving pretty much alone in the darkness on the highway to mysterious Pennsylvania from crazy New York

so i like to listen to poetry

i want someone to read to me

i'm darn lazy

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and indeed poetry MUST be heard (just as plays must be seen)......

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Have you ever come across this, Jaime?

http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/m_r/moore/poetry.htm

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Well, that is avery nice gift you've brought, D! 

I,too, understand the "contractility" of poetry, and like MM believe there's adeep primordiak undermnd or place where imagination marries our dreams to the outer world. Dreams dredge up some of this material for me--some people speak of ideas, inspiration, Muses--for me it reaching the "bridge of dreams" to the deep mind.

Donald Hall is a fine oet--and also enjoy his mystery novels.
Thanks for the link...I like Hall's commentary...and I like to believe thre's some humor and irony in MM's lines.

Now I gotta go look at a oem about a snail...the trail never ends...biggrin

EDIT: It's JAMES HALL that's the novelist. Sigh. It's only a wonder I didn't say JON Hall--Ramar of the Jungle.... hmmm...or was that Bob Hall?....evileye





-- Edited by jaimesan3 on Wednesday 9th of March 2011 11:36:20 AM

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wasnt it something John Milton said about his life when he went nuts after the death of his daughter



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