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Most dictionaries define 'atheist' as one who disbelieves or has no belief in gods, or something close to that, but almost always include the active verb, 'disbelieve'.  That word is included because of the inevitable evangelical nature of so many proclaimed atheists.  However, the inclusion of that word creates some problems for atheists.

The strictest sense of the term, that is, defining the word by its etymology, simply means without god.  That is a passive word sense and leaves no room for active opposition to religion or promotion of the no god concept.  Anyone encountering an atheist will likely have experienced the inevitable proselytizing zeal they so frequently display.  As already noted, that creates a problem because that is not simply being without god, that is actively campaigning against god but to assume that posture creates a disbelief system where no system is supposed the exist.  Campaigning for/against anything is not a passive sense of anything.  It is most definitely a course of action. Action connotes promotion which is solidly based on belief, either in evidence or in doctrine.

To resolve the conflict and to insulate themselves from the scourge of charges of belief, modern atheists have invented a new division in their kind.  They now divide themselves into weak and strong atheists.  Weak denoting the original meaning of the word and strong allowing for the campaign against religion.  That way they can claim the 'no god, no more, no less' definition when that is convenient and rail against religion when it suits them.

Somehow, the word 'hypocrite', seems oddly appropriate here...



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Meh, I don't see where atheists campaign against religion, except for its inclusion in taxpayer-funded programs and government activities, and in those areas, they're spot on.



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Meh, I don't see where atheists campaign against religion, except for its inclusion in taxpayer-funded programs and government activities, and in those areas, they're spot on.


 If you don't see it, you're not looking.  By his own comment, Powell left because of nytram's campaign against Christians.  Nytram may not be deliberately hostile to religion but his constant attacks and ridicule amount to a campaign by every definition.



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By his own comment, Powell left because of nytram's campaign against Christians. 

Powelll left because he's a big girls blouse who can't stomach opposing views.

I don't care if you subscribe to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any of the other two thousand or so religions mankind has created. Build a prayer closet, put a nativity scene in your yard, whatever trips your trigger. When you try to make your religion law, teach it in public schools or use public funds to support it, then I have a problem

 

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 Nytram may not be deliberately hostile to religion but his constant attacks and ridicule amount to a campaign by every definition.


  My expressing my opinion is a campaign? To a zealot like you I'm sure it appears that way.

 



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Most dictionaries define 'atheist' as one who disbelieves or has no belief in gods, or something close to that, but almost always include the active verb, 'disbelieve'.  That word is included because of the inevitable evangelical nature of so many proclaimed atheists.  However, the inclusion of that word creates some problems for atheists.

The strictest sense of the term, that is, defining the word by its etymology, simply means without god.  That is a passive word sense and leaves no room for active opposition to religion or promotion of the no god concept.  Anyone encountering an atheist will likely have experienced the inevitable proselytizing zeal they so frequently display.  As already noted, that creates a problem because that is not simply being without god, that is actively campaigning against god but to assume that posture creates a disbelief system where no system is supposed the exist.  Campaigning for/against anything is not a passive sense of anything.  It is most definitely a course of action. Action connotes promotion which is solidly based on belief, either in evidence or in doctrine.



Two paragraphs of rationalizations regarding your definition of an atheist. I can give you the real definition in eight words, Atheism is a lack of belief in gods.

 



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By his own comment, Powell left because of nytram's campaign against Christians. 

Powelll left because he's a big girls blouse who can't stomach opposing views.

I don't care if you subscribe to Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any of the other two thousand or so religions mankind has created. Build a prayer closet, put a nativity scene in your yard, whatever trips your trigger. When you try to make your religion law, teach it in public schools or use public funds to support it, then I have a problem

 

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 Nytram may not be deliberately hostile to religion but his constant attacks and ridicule amount to a campaign by every definition.


  My expressing my opinion is a campaign? To a zealot like you I'm sure it appears that way.

 


 Powelll left because you created an atmosphere hostile to Christianity.  You did it by your incessant posting of anti-Christian (not anti-religion) items ridiculing the Bible and Christian beliefs.  That constitutes a campaign.  You furthered your assault on his religion by referring to him and his fellow believers as deranged fools.

You are perfectly free to express your opinion about anything you wish but if one topic becomes a drum beat and the rhetoric is patently offensive to the hearer, that most certainly amounts to a campaign.  You aren't stupid either and you didn't post those things in ignorance of their insulting nature.  You knew full well you were going after believers' faith.

As for teaching it in the schools, if you teach it as comparative religion 101 or world philosophies, I have no problem with it.  In fact, I support it rather than leaving young people ignorant of the philosophical bent of well more than half of the world.  Using public funds to promote religion or atheism, is certainly objectionable.

 

You may not care what people subscribe to but you certainly don't accommodate their beliefs.  Do you have to accommodate their beliefs?  No, but where is all that Liberal tolerance I keep hearing about.

 

As for my being a zealot, not hardly.  Your behavior fits that description far more accurately than mine.  I'll explain it one more time, I am agnostic.  As I have said here more than once, I don't see a dime's worth of difference between any of you religious fanatics, whether you preach for or against any particular religious or anti-religious viewpoint.  Your behaviors are identical.

 



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Most dictionaries define 'atheist' as one who disbelieves or has no belief in gods, or something close to that, but almost always include the active verb, 'disbelieve'.  That word is included because of the inevitable evangelical nature of so many proclaimed atheists.  However, the inclusion of that word creates some problems for atheists.

The strictest sense of the term, that is, defining the word by its etymology, simply means without god.  That is a passive word sense and leaves no room for active opposition to religion or promotion of the no god concept.  Anyone encountering an atheist will likely have experienced the inevitable proselytizing zeal they so frequently display.  As already noted, that creates a problem because that is not simply being without god, that is actively campaigning against god but to assume that posture creates a disbelief system where no system is supposed the exist.  Campaigning for/against anything is not a passive sense of anything.  It is most definitely a course of action. Action connotes promotion which is solidly based on belief, either in evidence or in doctrine.



Two paragraphs of rationalizations regarding your definition of an atheist. I can give you the real definition in eight words, Atheism is a lack of belief in gods.

 


 Not my definition.  http://www.bing.com/search?q=atheist+definition&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=26523249fa364c669fd2de8465f9192c&qs=AS&pq=atheist+definition&sc=8-18&sp=2&cvid=26523249fa364c669fd2de8465f9192c

 

Not my rationalization.  http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/a/definition.htm



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"What's going on up here, Cousin Kitty?"

"Hi, Cousin Hades!  Just the same old crap, I suppose.  Are you here to celebrate Halloween in our cousin bwitch's Endor realm?"

"Wouldn't miss it for all the Netherworld!  Hope neither of you minds that I brought along my brother, Zeus."

"Of course, not at all.  Zeus, that's a rather fancy pointed hat you're wearing."

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