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First thing I would like to say is that I deplore what was done to Nytrams board by this Clinger admin at Proboards. Judging from the amount of complaints at the support board, he's been tripping on his power a lot lately. While I don't frequent Nytrams place per se, the few times I have logged in over the past few years, I've yet to see anything that would warrant deletion.

Second thing I'd like to convey to you all is that we too received a threat of being closed down for a post made by a member of ours that involved using a term for female genitalia in reference to Muslims burning poppies on remembrance day in the UK. Earlier that same day a new member named "Chip" registered. I immediately banned them on the chance they are going from board to board making complaints in the form of a Proboards troll.

I can assure you all that to my knowledge, no one at the SBII had anything to do with the deletion of your board and I give you my assurance that should I find out someone did, they will be banned from the SBII immediately. I will not condone such tactics. It has always been my policy to live and let live and there is no intent upon my part that this should change.

Again, I am personally offended for what was done to Nytram and his members. It was completely improper and unnecessary and I sincerely hope this forum treats him better for his efforts. I can tell you from experience that while running a message board may not be a lot of work, it is work none the less and frankly, I think he deserved better from Proboards.

Jaguar.

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No one for one second ever thought that anyone from your board had anything to do with it.  I don't know why any of you would think we did.  It wasn't mentioned, brought up, hinted at, or anything else.   Speaking for myself, I didn't even think of your board until Shpaget brought it up.

It's a mystery to us why you feel the need to explain anything.

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The only person who suggested it was your own member shpaget. No one had suggested it even after he took everyone to task for it.  I suspect that 2 people both you and Nytram had banned are responsible.

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Thanks Jag, You are a top man and I hope you stick around.

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Hi Jag!

Just letting you know that from what I can see, the thought that someone from SBII had anything to do with the old Nytram's being shot down is ludicrous to just about everyone here. My impression is that it never even crossed our minds.

The general feeling here is that no one wants to see SBII get zapped. That definitely includes me. Hang in there and don't let them get to you. (But just in case, please have an alternative board waiting in the wings.)smile

Sorry I haven't been over there in awhile...I was absent from here for a long time too. Long story. I'll be over to visit soon.:)

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Diana wrote:


The general feeling here is that no one wants to see SBII get zapped. That definitely includes me. Hang in there and don't let them get to you. (But just in case, please have an alternative board waiting in the wings.)smile


Diana



Yes because when they delete your board they give no warning, it is just suddenly gone.

 



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robotman wrote:

I can assure you all that to my knowledge, no one at the SBII had anything to do with the deletion of your board



 The thought never entered my mind.



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He's a curt

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Yes Ghostal but what he said was after Charlie got emotional , he said "this time" it wasn't him. He had to have done it at least once to say "this time".

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Hi Jaguar,

Just to add to the comments of other members here, I never thought it was someone from your board. I actually thought that Observer owned your board because when I was a member for a few minutes, I saw that he was the admin. I quit right away. :)

We have our theories about what happened, as you've probably read by now but we'll never know for sure. What seemed horrific at the time has really just been a bump in the road and nytram and ghostal have rounded us all up and now we're sailing along again--almost as if nothing happened--except, I think we all have a deeper appreciation for the owner/admin and each other.

You should stop by more often.





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Yes, ghostal, I noticed that, too...immediately. "Don't blame me...I had nothing to do with it!" Funny that they were so quick to deny responsibility when nobody had pointed any fingers yet, as the board had only been off for a few hours, and there was no way of telling if it were a glitch, or a plug-pulling.

It could caused by any one of a number of suspects, but that one was quick to say "Don't look at meeeeee!" Hey, it could have been blamed on the Groundhog Storm of 2011. Nobody was accusing anyone of anything. But there were denials aplenty...well, one, at least.

As for knowing EXACTLY when the board went down...I can tell you...it was in the early afternoon on Thursday, the 3rd...I was in the act of writing about the Chicago blizzard, and how it appeared that the city was doing a much better job of opening Lake Shore Drive than in previous storms that I experienced, when everything suddenly went...

Well...white...

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-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:34:56 PM

-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Sunday 6th of February 2011 07:18:09 PM

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suzi wrote:

The only person who suggested it was your own member shpaget. No one had suggested it even after he took everyone to task for it.  I suspect that 2 people both you and Nytram had banned are responsible.




It's interesting that neither of us have actually spoken to each other about who may or may not have been responsible, and whether or not Soapbox 2 would be blamed.

btw - I most certainly did NOT suggest that anyone from Soapbox 2 was responsible.

I made the suggestion that it was possible that someone at Nytrams had come to that conclusion.   I did NOT take everyone to task for it...my post was directed at the people who believed such nonsense.   If you didn't believe that nonsense then the post wasn't directed at  you.

I won't speak for Jaguar, but I suspect he, like me, was making a pre-emptive statement...his was simply nicer than mine.

And the only reason either of us would feel the need to make a pre-emptive statement is because there has, indeed, been a history.

 

Do you deny that?

 

I'm not saying my assumption was correct.   It is quite possible that nobody here, even for a minute, suspected Soapbox 2.   I'm saying that history has justified my assumption.

 

Do you deny the history?

 

btw - is anyone willing to say who went to the trivia board and said "don't blame me".



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No what you did was accuse us all of blaming Jags board. Its right there the first post in "if it is any consolation". Not one of us had even thought such a thing, and told you that.  That was what I meant when I said one of Jags owm members accused us.
For those of you tin foil hat wearing people who think Jaguar (or someone on that board) caused Nytrams to come down, the Jaguar board received a warning about racist content a few hours before Nytrams' board was deleted.

-- Edited by suzi on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:44:34 PM

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shpaget wrote:

 

suzi wrote:

The only person who suggested it was your own member shpaget. No one had suggested it even after he took everyone to task for it.  I suspect that 2 people both you and Nytram had banned are responsible.




It's interesting that neither of us have actually spoken to each other about who may or may not have been responsible, and whether or not Soapbox 2 would be blamed.

btw - I most certainly did NOT suggest that anyone from Soapbox 2 was responsible.

I made the suggestion that it was possible that someone at Nytrams had come to that conclusion.   I did NOT take everyone to task for it...my post was directed at the people who believed such nonsense.   If you didn't believe that nonsense then the post wasn't directed at  you.

I won't speak for Jaguar, but I suspect he, like me, was making a pre-emptive statement...his was simply nicer than mine.

And the only reason either of us would feel the need to make a pre-emptive statement is because there has, indeed, been a history.

 

Do you deny that?

 

I'm not saying my assumption was correct.   It is quite possible that nobody here, even for a minute, suspected Soapbox 2.   I'm saying that history has justified my assumption.

 

Do you deny the history?

 

btw - is anyone willing to say who went to the trivia board and said "don't blame me".



-- Edited by shpaget on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:37:59 PM

 



How long ago was this "history"?

 



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ghostal wrote:

"Do you deny that?

 

Do you deny the history?"

 

Internet drama is funny. wink

 



Yep. I was thinking the same thing.

 



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I think we are missing the point.

On Remembrance Day a bunch of muslims burned poppies in London's Hyde Park.

Rommy's suggestion that they were a bunch of transgender fundamentalists was nothing compared to what they were called by the rest of the UK. If proboard are going to make a fuss about that then we are better of out of the way.

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I won't deny the history...if it's me you're talking about...spit it out.

I may have been right...I may have been wrong. Nobody will ever be able to prove anything either way.

All I know is from what I have seen in my two years at the A & E sites (History, Biography, AETN), followed by four-plus years at IMDb, followed by five years and five months as Nytramsplace. I know what I've seen and I know what I've experienced and I may have jumped to conclusions or I may be right on the money. I don't care at this stage of the game whether I can say "I told you so" or whether I am completely full of sh*t. A good board went down and whether it was done by one person or a number of persons (which is the definition of "conspiracy") or by some faceless corporate drone, for bullsh*t reasons, the end result is the same. Poof. Gone.

I've fought with some of the same people at half-a-dozen different boards... for a decade...and been friends with others for equally as long.Old enmities and grudges run deep. But deep enough to want to see a board destroyed? Only those whose names I will not mention here know whether or not that is so.

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suzi wrote:

No what you did was accuse us all of blaming Jags board. Its right there the first post in "if it is any consolation". Not one of us had even thought such a thing, and told you that.  That was what I meant when I said one of Jags owm members accused us.
For those of you tin foil hat wearing people who think Jaguar (or someone on that board) caused Nytrams to come down, the Jaguar board received a warning about racist content a few hours before Nytrams' board was deleted.

-- Edited by suzi on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:44:34 PM




No, this is what I clearly said:

For those of you tin foil hat wearing people who think Jaguar (or someone on that board) caused Nytrams to come down

 

That is a very clear qualifier - if I had believed everyone, or the majority, of Nytrams felt that way I would had said something like "I'm sure the majority of you believe this, so...."

If you believe I was talking to everyone that was not my intent.  


Like I said - whether or not Nytrams would blame Jaguar was never discussed on Soapbox 2 (not on the threads that I saw).   Jaguar and I did not discuss this with each other either....it's not like we're pals....I'm just another poster on Soapbox 2, as I'm just another poster here.




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KidCharlieMane wrote:

I won't deny the history...if it's me you're talking about...spit it out.

I may have been right...I may have been wrong. Nobody will ever be able to prove anything either way.

All I know is from what I have seen in my two years at the A & E sites (History, Biography, AETN), followed by four-plus years at IMDb, followed by five years and five months as Nytramsplace. I know what I've seen and I know what I've experienced and I may have jumped to conclusions or I may be right on the money. I don't care at this stage of the game whether I can say "I told you so" or whether I am completely full of sh*t. A good board went down and whether it was done by one person or a number of persons (which is the definition of "conspiracy") or by some faceless corporate drone, for bullsh*t reasons, the end result is the same. Poof. Gone.

I've fought with some of the same people at half-a-dozen different boards... for a decade...and been friends with others for equally as long.Old enmities and grudges run deep. But deep enough to want to see a board destroyed? Only those whose names I will not mention here know whether or not that is so.

Charlie twocents.gif

-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:52:53 PM

-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:53:58 PM

-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Sunday 6th of February 2011 02:54:29 PM




It's not a matter of spitting it out - I thought you were one of the posters (and there were two others), but I was not 100% certain.

I wasn't going to say your name if I wasn't 100% certain (and without Nytrams Proboard, I wouldn't be able to prove myself).

Do you, or did you, believe that Soapbox 2, or some of its ongoing members, were behind it?

All I can say is I am disgusted at what happend to Nytrams (and, consequently, it looks like a lot of other forums at Proboards), and I would be more disgusted to be associated with anyone responsible for the Abuse Report.

 

Frankly, considering the overall anonymity of these message boards, it boggles my mind how some take it so seriously to hold such grudges.

It's the biggest reason I stopped posting at IMDB.



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Christ on a ****ing crutch you ****ing moron, you brought this **** up

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