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I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html



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Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.



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That IS Hawaii's birth certificate. No one will ever get to see the original, those are kept in the records of every state, all any one ever gets is a copy. Birther's are so damn stupid that it makes me cringe in embarrassment for them since they don't have sense enough to be embarrassed for themselves.

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Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


 I don't know what pictures you're looking at, but the ones I'm looking at from the above link clearly state his Place of Birth as Honolulu, on the Island of Ohau, in the County of Honolulu.

I don't know what more anyone else would need.

 

 

 



-- Edited by MaeBea on Thursday 24th of March 2011 10:44:50 PM

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JW wrote:
Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


I can't be arsed, as our British members say, going through this again, but to keep it as brief as possible--the document that's mailed to our parents a few weeks after we're born is actually a Certificate of Registration of Birth.  Apparently it certifies that the actual birth certificate is on file and has been registered at whatever state agency handles such things, but it's not The Birth Certificate.

As I wrote back in the old 'hood, I discovered this in the summer of 2009, when I was closing in on age 65 and needed to apply for Medicare.  That procedure required my obtaining a validated copy of my actual birth certificate, NOT the certificate of registration of it, and let me tell you, the b.c. contained a lot more information than the c.o.r. did.

It was quite a project proving I am who I am just to obtain the validated copy of the b.c. (I ordered two, second and subsequent copies were only $2 each).

Up until that momentous occasion, though, my very pretty pink Certificate of Registration of Birth served me well--I used to it to apply for a Social Security number, get a driver's license, get married, spend a weekend in Bimini, and I forget what all else.

Bottom line--I think the "birthers" are assholes, but I also think Obama's an ass for not requesting the state of Hawaii to release the document for all the world to see once and forever.  He, and probably he alone, can request it, receive it, make it public, and finally quash all the crap.

The longer he delays this, the more suspicion festers.

 

 



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suzi wrote:

That IS Hawaii's birth certificate. No one will ever get to see the original, those are kept in the records of every state, all any one ever gets is a copy. Birther's are so damn stupid that it makes me cringe in embarrassment for them since they don't have sense enough to be embarrassed for themselves.


 I'm not a hard core birther.  If Obama was born in the U.S., that can be put to rest.  However, you state that what is shown is not the original,  but a copy.  If that's the case, it should have been certified as a true and correct copy by the clerk of birth records, with at least a facsimile of his/her signature affixed thereon.  Without that, anyone could have made what was shown.

 



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That IS Hawaii's birth certificate. No one will ever get to see the original, those are kept in the records of every state, all any one ever gets is a copy. Birther's are so damn stupid that it makes me cringe in embarrassment for them since they don't have sense enough to be embarrassed for themselves.


 I'm not a hard core birther.  If Obama was born in the U.S., that can be put to rest.  However, you state that what is shown is not the original,  but a copy.  If that's the case, it should have been certified as a true and correct copy by the clerk of birth records, with at least a facsimile of his/her signature affixed thereon.  Without that, anyone could have made what was shown.

 


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Look at the link Mae provided, it has everything it is supposed to have.  I am so tired of people saying they want to see the original, aint gonna happen! You , me , and even the president only get a copy!

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Where people with less brains got fouled up was Obama's grand mother saying he was born in Kenya,  Honestly shes an old lady and she knows she gave birth to her son, of the same name. You know President Obama's father?



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dean wrote:
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That IS Hawaii's birth certificate. No one will ever get to see the original, those are kept in the records of every state, all any one ever gets is a copy. Birther's are so damn stupid that it makes me cringe in embarrassment for them since they don't have sense enough to be embarrassed for themselves.


 I'm not a hard core birther.  If Obama was born in the U.S., that can be put to rest.  However, you state that what is shown is not the original,  but a copy.  If that's the case, it should have been certified as a true and correct copy by the clerk of birth records, with at least a facsimile of his/her signature affixed thereon.  Without that, anyone could have made what was shown.

 


 Mr. Walrus, it has that certification as a true and correct copy, along with the seal of the clerk.

 



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"Mr. Walrus, it has that certification as a true and correct copy, along with the seal of the clerk."

Okay, but they usually have a signature of the clerk at the time it's issued, stating, in part "I hereby certify on such and such a date...".  That shows that it's certified by a real person of authority, and is not just a printed form that anyone can make up.

If that's all they use in Hawaii, then fine.  That issue has never been one worth arguing about, at least to me.  I was more interested in the competency of the form.



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Look at the link Mae provided, it has everything it is supposed to have.  I am so tired of people saying they want to see the original, aint gonna happen! You , me , and even the president only get a copy!

sigh.gif

 

Where people with less brains got fouled up was Obama's grand mother saying he was born in Kenya,  Honestly shes an old lady and she knows she gave birth to her son, of the same name. You know President Obama's father?


 Try again, Suzi.  I was talking about a competent certificate that would be accepted in a court.  I appreciate your legal opinion that the copy shown has everything that it's supposed to have.

 



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I will once again bring up (and then toddle on to noddle land) the point that Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Wichita, Kansas, (according to Wiki, but I don't think there's any doubt that she was born somewhere within the United States).

Essentially, since she was a citizen of the U.S. it wouldn't have mattered diddly-damn where in the world she happened to be when she gave birth.  Her child would be a U.S. citizen.

At best, he would've enjoyed dual citizenship if he'd been born outside of the U.S. and its territories.

Hey, there's plenty to argue about regarding his policies, but picking on his "pedigree" makes the pickers look utterly stupid.

 



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bollocks

 

 

anyone anywhere is allowed to purchase a copy of anyones birth certificate, how the hell do you think companies trace family trees for you, but surprisingly Obamas is off limits.

 



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anyone anywhere is allowed to purchase a copy of anyones birth certificate, how the hell do you think companies trace family trees for you, but surprisingly Obamas is off limits.

 


 then prove there ain't one....

 

this ain't britain all thuggish and foul murderers..

 

we overthrew that sorry assed tyranny, queerbait

 



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suzi wrote:

That IS Hawaii's birth certificate. No one will ever get to see the original, those are kept in the records of every state, all any one ever gets is a copy. Birther's are so damn stupid that it makes me cringe in embarrassment for them since they don't have sense enough to be embarrassed for themselves.


 

 No, suzi, that is NOT Hawaii's birth certificate.  It is no state's birth certificate form.  It is a substitute document and it is generally provided as proof of citizenship.  No one, at least no one with a working brain, thinks he is not a US citizen.

Citizenship is not the issue and never has been.  The issue is place of birth.

If Obama wanted to present the original or a copy of the original, it is fully within his ability to do so.  He does not want to show that birth certificate and that is what fuels all of the speculation.



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