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JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
JW wrote:
Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


I can't be arsed, as our British members say, going through this again, but to keep it as brief as possible--the document that's mailed to our parents a few weeks after we're born is actually a Certificate of Registration of Birth.  Apparently it certifies that the actual birth certificate is on file and has been registered at whatever state agency handles such things, but it's not The Birth Certificate.

As I wrote back in the old 'hood, I discovered this in the summer of 2009, when I was closing in on age 65 and needed to apply for Medicare.  That procedure required my obtaining a validated copy of my actual birth certificate, NOT the certificate of registration of it, and let me tell you, the b.c. contained a lot more information than the c.o.r. did.

It was quite a project proving I am who I am just to obtain the validated copy of the b.c. (I ordered two, second and subsequent copies were only $2 each).

Up until that momentous occasion, though, my very pretty pink Certificate of Registration of Birth served me well--I used to it to apply for a Social Security number, get a driver's license, get married, spend a weekend in Bimini, and I forget what all else.

Bottom line--I think the "birthers" are assholes, but I also think Obama's an ass for not requesting the state of Hawaii to release the document for all the world to see once and forever.  He, and probably he alone, can request it, receive it, make it public, and finally quash all the crap.

The longer he delays this, the more suspicion festers.

 

 


 

 You are absolutely correct on every point except your assessment of the "Birthers".  Since it is a Constitutional requirement that the President be born in the USA, any voter has the right to insist on seeing the original... and quite, frankly, the US Elections Commission had the obligation to certify his candidacy and that requires an official original if any question exists.

Based on his and his mother's known history, I don't doubt his place of birth being as stated because he has been elected and at this point, the issue is moot.  I would bet the reason he won't show it is that it lists no father's name.

 

Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter.



-- Edited by JW on Friday 25th of March 2011 12:17:38 AM


 Oh.

My.

God.

No one gives up their right to privacy to run for public office.  What fascist state do you live in? 

BTW, that certificate in the pictures is exactly what anyone would get when asking for a copy of their birth certificate.  No one gets the original, that stays in the records.  You get only a copy of one.  Had the original not stated his fathers name, neither would this short form copy.  That is how they come.  I suggest you send for yours.  Oh wait, you weren't born in the US, so it doesn't matter.

Unimpeachable source.  Jesus H. Keeriste On A Stick.

 


 

 I have copies of the originals of all three of my children.  I have copies of the original of my own.  My kids were born in the USA.

 

The only unimpeachable source is the original document signed and dated by the registrar, based on information supplied by the hospital at the time of the child's birth.


 Yeah, you have copies.  Try to get the original and see where that gets you.

Sorry, but you are wrong about it being "unimpeachable".  The signed, sealed, notarized copy is unimpeachable (if you want to use that word) in ANY court of law in the US.  You should know that.

 


 

 I said I have copies of the originals, Mae.  They include all of the entries made at the time of birth, hospital, attending physician, weight, height, mother, father, time of birth, etc.  Not some flimsey knock-off that says nothing but, duh, yup, I wuz borned.

What Obama presented is NOT a copy of the original.  It is a sustitute document in lieu of a copy of the original.

 

If Obama was white and Republican, I gay-ron-tee you would be demanding better proof.


 No, I wouldn't, and you know why?  Because everytime I have to get a copy of my birth certificate, I get exactly what Obama got.  That's what you get, and you have no idea if you have exact copies of the original certificate, as you have NEVER seen the original certificate.  You have just what everyone else gets, nothing more.

 

Obama's certification would be accepted in any court of law, period.  Contrary to your idea that it is flimsy, in reality it is the exact opposite.

 

Now, as far as your gay-run-tee goes, I know how much you hate it when people say what is in your mind, but that certainly doesn't stop you from pretending to know what is in other peoples minds, now does it?

I would accept that evidence if Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman presented it, because it is  legitimate proof, no matter what you might think.

 



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MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
JW wrote:
Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


I can't be arsed, as our British members say, going through this again, but to keep it as brief as possible--the document that's mailed to our parents a few weeks after we're born is actually a Certificate of Registration of Birth.  Apparently it certifies that the actual birth certificate is on file and has been registered at whatever state agency handles such things, but it's not The Birth Certificate.

As I wrote back in the old 'hood, I discovered this in the summer of 2009, when I was closing in on age 65 and needed to apply for Medicare.  That procedure required my obtaining a validated copy of my actual birth certificate, NOT the certificate of registration of it, and let me tell you, the b.c. contained a lot more information than the c.o.r. did.

It was quite a project proving I am who I am just to obtain the validated copy of the b.c. (I ordered two, second and subsequent copies were only $2 each).

Up until that momentous occasion, though, my very pretty pink Certificate of Registration of Birth served me well--I used to it to apply for a Social Security number, get a driver's license, get married, spend a weekend in Bimini, and I forget what all else.

Bottom line--I think the "birthers" are assholes, but I also think Obama's an ass for not requesting the state of Hawaii to release the document for all the world to see once and forever.  He, and probably he alone, can request it, receive it, make it public, and finally quash all the crap.

The longer he delays this, the more suspicion festers.

 

 


 

 You are absolutely correct on every point except your assessment of the "Birthers".  Since it is a Constitutional requirement that the President be born in the USA, any voter has the right to insist on seeing the original... and quite, frankly, the US Elections Commission had the obligation to certify his candidacy and that requires an official original if any question exists.

Based on his and his mother's known history, I don't doubt his place of birth being as stated because he has been elected and at this point, the issue is moot.  I would bet the reason he won't show it is that it lists no father's name.

 

Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter.



-- Edited by JW on Friday 25th of March 2011 12:17:38 AM


 Oh.

My.

God.

No one gives up their right to privacy to run for public office.  What fascist state do you live in? 

BTW, that certificate in the pictures is exactly what anyone would get when asking for a copy of their birth certificate.  No one gets the original, that stays in the records.  You get only a copy of one.  Had the original not stated his fathers name, neither would this short form copy.  That is how they come.  I suggest you send for yours.  Oh wait, you weren't born in the US, so it doesn't matter.

Unimpeachable source.  Jesus H. Keeriste On A Stick.

 


 

 I have copies of the originals of all three of my children.  I have copies of the original of my own.  My kids were born in the USA.

 

The only unimpeachable source is the original document signed and dated by the registrar, based on information supplied by the hospital at the time of the child's birth.


 Yeah, you have copies.  Try to get the original and see where that gets you.

Sorry, but you are wrong about it being "unimpeachable".  The signed, sealed, notarized copy is unimpeachable (if you want to use that word) in ANY court of law in the US.  You should know that.

 


 

 I said I have copies of the originals, Mae.  They include all of the entries made at the time of birth, hospital, attending physician, weight, height, mother, father, time of birth, etc.  Not some flimsey knock-off that says nothing but, duh, yup, I wuz borned.

What Obama presented is NOT a copy of the original.  It is a sustitute document in lieu of a copy of the original.

 

If Obama was white and Republican, I gay-ron-tee you would be demanding better proof.


 No, I wouldn't, and you know why?  Because everytime I have to get a copy of my birth certificate, I get exactly what Obama got.  That's what you get, and you have no idea if you have exact copies of the original certificate, as you have NEVER seen the original certificate.  You have just what everyone else gets, nothing more.

 

Obama's certification would be accepted in any court of law, period.  Contrary to your idea that it is flimsy, in reality it is the exact opposite.

 

Now, as far as your gay-run-tee goes, I know how much you hate it when people say what is in your mind, but that certainly doesn't stop you from pretending to know what is in other peoples minds, now does it?

I would accept that evidence if Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman presented it, because it is  legitimate proof, no matter what you might think.

 


 

 I have never seen a document like Obama's until he released that thing.  What I have is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ON FILE AT THE COURT HOUSE in the county in which they were born.

If you would like, I'll edit out the identifying features and post a copy for you.  Take your pick, WI or MN.



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JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
JW wrote:
Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


I can't be arsed, as our British members say, going through this again, but to keep it as brief as possible--the document that's mailed to our parents a few weeks after we're born is actually a Certificate of Registration of Birth.  Apparently it certifies that the actual birth certificate is on file and has been registered at whatever state agency handles such things, but it's not The Birth Certificate.

As I wrote back in the old 'hood, I discovered this in the summer of 2009, when I was closing in on age 65 and needed to apply for Medicare.  That procedure required my obtaining a validated copy of my actual birth certificate, NOT the certificate of registration of it, and let me tell you, the b.c. contained a lot more information than the c.o.r. did.

It was quite a project proving I am who I am just to obtain the validated copy of the b.c. (I ordered two, second and subsequent copies were only $2 each).

Up until that momentous occasion, though, my very pretty pink Certificate of Registration of Birth served me well--I used to it to apply for a Social Security number, get a driver's license, get married, spend a weekend in Bimini, and I forget what all else.

Bottom line--I think the "birthers" are assholes, but I also think Obama's an ass for not requesting the state of Hawaii to release the document for all the world to see once and forever.  He, and probably he alone, can request it, receive it, make it public, and finally quash all the crap.

The longer he delays this, the more suspicion festers.

 

 


 

 You are absolutely correct on every point except your assessment of the "Birthers".  Since it is a Constitutional requirement that the President be born in the USA, any voter has the right to insist on seeing the original... and quite, frankly, the US Elections Commission had the obligation to certify his candidacy and that requires an official original if any question exists.

Based on his and his mother's known history, I don't doubt his place of birth being as stated because he has been elected and at this point, the issue is moot.  I would bet the reason he won't show it is that it lists no father's name.

 

Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter.



-- Edited by JW on Friday 25th of March 2011 12:17:38 AM


 Oh.

My.

God.

No one gives up their right to privacy to run for public office.  What fascist state do you live in? 

BTW, that certificate in the pictures is exactly what anyone would get when asking for a copy of their birth certificate.  No one gets the original, that stays in the records.  You get only a copy of one.  Had the original not stated his fathers name, neither would this short form copy.  That is how they come.  I suggest you send for yours.  Oh wait, you weren't born in the US, so it doesn't matter.

Unimpeachable source.  Jesus H. Keeriste On A Stick.

 


 

 I have copies of the originals of all three of my children.  I have copies of the original of my own.  My kids were born in the USA.

 

The only unimpeachable source is the original document signed and dated by the registrar, based on information supplied by the hospital at the time of the child's birth.


 Yeah, you have copies.  Try to get the original and see where that gets you.

Sorry, but you are wrong about it being "unimpeachable".  The signed, sealed, notarized copy is unimpeachable (if you want to use that word) in ANY court of law in the US.  You should know that.

 


 

 I said I have copies of the originals, Mae.  They include all of the entries made at the time of birth, hospital, attending physician, weight, height, mother, father, time of birth, etc.  Not some flimsey knock-off that says nothing but, duh, yup, I wuz borned.

What Obama presented is NOT a copy of the original.  It is a sustitute document in lieu of a copy of the original.

 

If Obama was white and Republican, I gay-ron-tee you would be demanding better proof.


 No, I wouldn't, and you know why?  Because everytime I have to get a copy of my birth certificate, I get exactly what Obama got.  That's what you get, and you have no idea if you have exact copies of the original certificate, as you have NEVER seen the original certificate.  You have just what everyone else gets, nothing more.

 

Obama's certification would be accepted in any court of law, period.  Contrary to your idea that it is flimsy, in reality it is the exact opposite.

 

Now, as far as your gay-run-tee goes, I know how much you hate it when people say what is in your mind, but that certainly doesn't stop you from pretending to know what is in other peoples minds, now does it?

I would accept that evidence if Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman presented it, because it is  legitimate proof, no matter what you might think.

 


 

 I have never seen a document like Obama's until he released that thing.  What I have is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ON FILE AT THE COURT HOUSE in the county in which they were born.

If you would like, I'll edit out the identifying features and post a copy for you.  Take your pick, WI or MN.


 And what Obama has is a "true copy of the record on file with the Hawaii Dept. of Health", which is where all birth records are stored.  Whether or not you have ever seen a document like Obama has is irrelevant, as each state does it differently.  What Obama has is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ON FILE for his birth.  What is it about that that you simply do not comprehend?  My birth certificate from NYS is the same.  Not identical to Hawaii's, but it also clearly states that it is a certified copy of the original record on file in the Dept. of Health for New York State.  Some of them are fancier in appearance, giving the impression of more legitimacy, but they are all the same.  Yours, mine, his-- copies of what the Dept. of Health has.

It's really not difficult to understand.

 



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jw...did you even read this link!  You are just a nut.

Be sure to read the second paragraph!

Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.


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I really despise this debate and am unsure as to why I even opened this thread.

"Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter."

From what I have read, the courts find this statement to be incorrect.

 

"Standing in eligibility challenges

Several courts have ruled that private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates to appear on a presidential election ballot.[36] Alternatively, there is a statutory method by which the eligibility of the President-elect to take office may be challenged in Congress.[37]"

 

The distinction between a natural born citizen and a native born citizen remains legally ambiguous short of a Supreme Court ruling. 


The Oxford English Dictionary defines "natural born" as "[h]aving a specified position or character by birth." They list this definition as going back to the 16th century.  So in English the phrase refers to anyone who is a citizen from birth.

 

The constitution does not require that the president be a "native born" citizen.

Since Obama is a child of a US citizen, he was a US citizen from birth, there for a "natural born" citizen. 

 

Ithy says, End of!   furious



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MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
MaeBea wrote:
JW wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
JW wrote:
Micky wrote:

I'm not going to post the whole thing.  You can read it and see it on this site. 

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


 

Unfortunately, that is not a birth certificate as has been pointed out before.  It is a substitution document that merely says he's registered at the court house.  It says nothing about WHERE he was born.

He could end all the speculation and put egg on the face of every Birther... or on the voter's, if he would just show the original.


I can't be arsed, as our British members say, going through this again, but to keep it as brief as possible--the document that's mailed to our parents a few weeks after we're born is actually a Certificate of Registration of Birth.  Apparently it certifies that the actual birth certificate is on file and has been registered at whatever state agency handles such things, but it's not The Birth Certificate.

As I wrote back in the old 'hood, I discovered this in the summer of 2009, when I was closing in on age 65 and needed to apply for Medicare.  That procedure required my obtaining a validated copy of my actual birth certificate, NOT the certificate of registration of it, and let me tell you, the b.c. contained a lot more information than the c.o.r. did.

It was quite a project proving I am who I am just to obtain the validated copy of the b.c. (I ordered two, second and subsequent copies were only $2 each).

Up until that momentous occasion, though, my very pretty pink Certificate of Registration of Birth served me well--I used to it to apply for a Social Security number, get a driver's license, get married, spend a weekend in Bimini, and I forget what all else.

Bottom line--I think the "birthers" are assholes, but I also think Obama's an ass for not requesting the state of Hawaii to release the document for all the world to see once and forever.  He, and probably he alone, can request it, receive it, make it public, and finally quash all the crap.

The longer he delays this, the more suspicion festers.

 

 


 

 You are absolutely correct on every point except your assessment of the "Birthers".  Since it is a Constitutional requirement that the President be born in the USA, any voter has the right to insist on seeing the original... and quite, frankly, the US Elections Commission had the obligation to certify his candidacy and that requires an official original if any question exists.

Based on his and his mother's known history, I don't doubt his place of birth being as stated because he has been elected and at this point, the issue is moot.  I would bet the reason he won't show it is that it lists no father's name.

 

Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter.



-- Edited by JW on Friday 25th of March 2011 12:17:38 AM


 Oh.

My.

God.

No one gives up their right to privacy to run for public office.  What fascist state do you live in? 

BTW, that certificate in the pictures is exactly what anyone would get when asking for a copy of their birth certificate.  No one gets the original, that stays in the records.  You get only a copy of one.  Had the original not stated his fathers name, neither would this short form copy.  That is how they come.  I suggest you send for yours.  Oh wait, you weren't born in the US, so it doesn't matter.

Unimpeachable source.  Jesus H. Keeriste On A Stick.

 


 

 I have copies of the originals of all three of my children.  I have copies of the original of my own.  My kids were born in the USA.

 

The only unimpeachable source is the original document signed and dated by the registrar, based on information supplied by the hospital at the time of the child's birth.


 Yeah, you have copies.  Try to get the original and see where that gets you.

Sorry, but you are wrong about it being "unimpeachable".  The signed, sealed, notarized copy is unimpeachable (if you want to use that word) in ANY court of law in the US.  You should know that.

 


 

 I said I have copies of the originals, Mae.  They include all of the entries made at the time of birth, hospital, attending physician, weight, height, mother, father, time of birth, etc.  Not some flimsey knock-off that says nothing but, duh, yup, I wuz borned.

What Obama presented is NOT a copy of the original.  It is a sustitute document in lieu of a copy of the original.

 

If Obama was white and Republican, I gay-ron-tee you would be demanding better proof.


 No, I wouldn't, and you know why?  Because everytime I have to get a copy of my birth certificate, I get exactly what Obama got.  That's what you get, and you have no idea if you have exact copies of the original certificate, as you have NEVER seen the original certificate.  You have just what everyone else gets, nothing more.

 

Obama's certification would be accepted in any court of law, period.  Contrary to your idea that it is flimsy, in reality it is the exact opposite.

 

Now, as far as your gay-run-tee goes, I know how much you hate it when people say what is in your mind, but that certainly doesn't stop you from pretending to know what is in other peoples minds, now does it?

I would accept that evidence if Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman presented it, because it is  legitimate proof, no matter what you might think.

 


 

 I have never seen a document like Obama's until he released that thing.  What I have is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ON FILE AT THE COURT HOUSE in the county in which they were born.

If you would like, I'll edit out the identifying features and post a copy for you.  Take your pick, WI or MN.


 And what Obama has is a "true copy of the record on file with the Hawaii Dept. of Health", which is where all birth records are stored.  Whether or not you have ever seen a document like Obama has is irrelevant, as each state does it differently.  What Obama has is a COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT ON FILE for his birth.  What is it about that that you simply do not comprehend?  My birth certificate from NYS is the same.  Not identical to Hawaii's, but it also clearly states that it is a certified copy of the original record on file in the Dept. of Health for New York State.  Some of them are fancier in appearance, giving the impression of more legitimacy, but they are all the same.  Yours, mine, his-- copies of what the Dept. of Health has.

It's really not difficult to understand.

 


 

 I agree, it's not that hard to understand... and if you bother to check it out, you will discover that Hawaii also files a complete record of birth which is far more detailed than what he released. 

He can produce it if he chooses to. 

It's like his doctoral thesis which he has sealed from prying eyes... he doesn't want that information disclosed either and any US voter has a right to see the proof if it is demanded.  What he showed is proof of citizenship, not proof of place of birth.



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Micky wrote:

jw...did you even read this link!  You are just a nut.

Be sure to read the second paragraph!

Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

 

 It is my understanding that the certificate they saw and "verified" is the one shown in the link.  That is the problem.  It's not a birth certificate.



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Micky wrote:

jw...did you even read this link!  You are just a nut.

Be sure to read the second paragraph!

Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

JW is a birther. Birthers aren't interested in the truth. You may as well be talking to a wall.

hmm

 



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JW...WHAT PART OF ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.



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Ithildriel wrote:

I really despise this debate and am unsure as to why I even opened this thread.

"Bottom line, if you choose to become a public political figure, you have no right to withhold any information requested by any legal voter."

From what I have read, the courts find this statement to be incorrect.

 

"Standing in eligibility challenges

Several courts have ruled that private citizens do not have standing to challenge the eligibility of candidates to appear on a presidential election ballot.[36] Alternatively, there is a statutory method by which the eligibility of the President-elect to take office may be challenged in Congress.[37]"

 

The distinction between a natural born citizen and a native born citizen remains legally ambiguous short of a Supreme Court ruling. 


The Oxford English Dictionary defines "natural born" as "[h]aving a specified position or character by birth." They list this definition as going back to the 16th century.  So in English the phrase refers to anyone who is a citizen from birth.

 

The constitution does not require that the president be a "native born" citizen.

Since Obama is a child of a US citizen, he was a US citizen from birth, there for a "natural born" citizen. 

 

Ithy says, End of!   furious


 

 Read the rest of the text, especially how the courts have ruled and ruled consistently.  It says PLACE of birth is the key, not PARENTAGE....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_requirements_for_President_of_the_United_States



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JW...WHAT PART OF ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.


 What they saw was the Cerificate of Live Birth; at least that is my understanding.  That is the document shown in the link.  That is not an original birth cerificate .

 



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What they saw was the Cerificate of Live Birth; at least that is my understanding.  That is the document shown in the link.  That is not an original birth cerificate .

 


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JW is a birther. Birthers aren't interested in the truth. You may as well be talking to a wall.

hmm

 

 



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jw...did you even read this link!  You are just a nut.

Be sure to read the second paragraph!

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In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

JW is a birther. Birthers aren't interested in the truth. You may as well be talking to a wall.

hmm

 


 

 Sorry, not a birther by a long shot.  I wish he would disclose his birth certificate and put all this BS to bed once and for all.  I have said this more than once before, there is nothing to be gained at this point by proving he is not natural born.

Something you seem incapable of understanding and the chief reason you have no clue about my position in any issue is that I am not interested in changing anyone's opinion on anything.  I am interested only in what is factually true.  PERIOD!

 

added:  Unless I have specifically said a thing is my view, it is merely what i have discovered in my search for the truth.  It may reflect my desires but in many cases it does not.



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I wish he would disclose his birth certificate and put all this BS to bed once and for all. 


 

You are lying. You wish he would go away and be replaced by a republican. Since that's not going to happen your only recourse is to beat this non-issue to death.

That is the very definition of a birther.



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I wish he would disclose his birth certificate and put all this BS to bed once and for all. 

 


 

You are lying. You wish he would go away and be replaced by a republican. Since that's not going to happen your only recourse is to beat this non-issue to death.

That is the very definition of a birther.


 That's your definition, not mine.

 

I am not now and never have been a Republican.  I have determined that the Liberals are dangerous to the liberty of Americans and I will do my best to defeat them where I can, exactly as I did to defeat Republicans in the 70s and 80s.

I am also sick of being called a liar.  Grow the fuck up and realize not everyone functions by your standards.

 



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You know, I have never really commented on this topic because it seems a moot point now that Obama's first and last term is soon over...but I must say, the more "proof" that is presented...the shadier it all seems.



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They do not have to be born on US soil, you are wrong, and that is the last time I will say that. You can continue to be a pompous twit as I know you will, but a citizen is a citizen! They must be a citizen to be president! The constitution says
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.", says nothing about being born on US soil !

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I wish he would disclose his birth certificate and put all this BS to bed once and for all. 

 


 

You are lying. You wish he would go away and be replaced by a republican. Since that's not going to happen your only recourse is to beat this non-issue to death.

That is the very definition of a birther.


 Make that a white republican!

 



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 Read the rest of the text, especially how the courts have ruled and ruled consistently.  It says PLACE of birth is the key, not PARENTAGE....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_requirements_for_President_of_the_United_States


 

 I did, apples and oranges. Those cases were in regards to people who had parents that were not US citizens. 

Also in the article...

According to an April 2000 report by the Congressional Research Service, most constitutional scholars interpret Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the natural born requirement. This same CRS report also asserts that citizens born in the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are legally defined as "natural born" citizens and are, therefore, also eligible to be elected President.[32]





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