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All right, this is the sort of "hit-and-run" reply that I can't quite understand--

Ithildriel said to JW,

"I can't phathom it, yet I see multiple posts where you tell him how you think his board should be run.  I saw at least one post where you told ghostal 'How about you do me a favor and start policing the deliberate attacks.'

"It isn't the first time in the past 6 or so years that I've been at nytram's that I have seen you running such a campaign. I can't decide if you keep doing the same thing over and over because you don't remember that you have said these things before to no avail, or you really think if you say it enough you will change the way the 'deliberate attacks are policed'." 

Yet, when JW requests that Ithildriel provide links to those multiple posts, which truly, folks, is not unreasonable, is it?, she replies with

"Not going to happen.  This is my last post on the matter.  I really don't care about this conversation enough to read through your post history to find them."

 

 


 



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KidCharlieMane wrote:

"What doesn't seem to be understood, and I have tried several times to explain it, is that I am not here to change anyone's mind about anything."

...that you're only here to pontificate and to spew. You delight in pushing buttons, name-calling, and pissing people off. You're very good at it...using the all the right buzzwords like Commie and Socialist and whatever.

But I think you've finally reached the edge of the cliff, and whether you realize it or not, you are walking on it. I never saw the Boss Man respond so angrily before. He may not have a good reason to ban you, but keep giving him more time...and he'll find one.

When you're pissing off the management, enough so that it wants to get rid of you...they'll find a reason...or no reason at all. Keep on pushing, and you're toast. And you'll have done it to yourself. Will I miss you? Not anymore.

There are certain people here...and they know who they are...whom I care for very much. Why they choose to defend you---I will never understand. I will leave it at that.

Good night...and good luck. In case you're not here the next time I am...good-bye.

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-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Friday 1st of April 2011 11:27:28 PM


Yes, Charlie, I'm well aware of who I am, and I'm not defending JW.  I'm defending anyone's right in offline life and privilege in online life, particularly here in our community, to be able to put forth a view without it resulting in a tsunami of insults simply because either the view or the poster offering it isn't popular.

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...it's not so much what he says as HOW he says it.

My snarky Minnesota (soon to be California) niece is very much the same way. She annoys the piss out of everybody and has few...if any...friends.

But Da Niece has an excuse...she is spoiled, coddled, pampered, made too much of, and raised by helicopter parents. She is also too smart for her own good, and has never faced disappointment, rejection, failure, or frustration.

And she is not yet 23.

What is JW's excuse?

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-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Saturday 2nd of April 2011 09:38:32 AM

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KidCharlieMane wrote:

It's not so much what he says as HOW he says it.

My snarky Minnesota (soon to be California) niece is very much the same way. She annoys the piss out of everybody and has few...if any...friends.

But Da Niece has an excuse...she is spoiled, coddled, pampered, made too much of, and raised by helicopter parents. She is also too smart for her own good, and has never faced disappointment, rejection, failure or frustration.

And she is not yet 23.

What is JW's excuse?

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-- Edited by KidCharlieMane on Saturday 2nd of April 2011 01:13:22 AM


 What I say, I can control.  HOW you read it is out of my hands.

I keep telling the board, stop reading between the lines.  Take what I say as exactly what I mean, nothing more.

 



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 You could always ban me... I'm not sure what for but I'll bet you could come up with something.


If I was into inventing reasons to ban people I would have booted your obnoxious ass years ago. Fortunately for you I abide by the principals I established when I started this forum.

 



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What I say, I can control.  HOW you read it is out of my hands.

 

There's that obfuscating garbage that so endears you to this community.

You want people to stop reading between the lines? Stop writing between the lines. Say what you mean and stop assuming every one else is too stupid to know your true intent. 



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KittyBiggerstaff wrote:

All right, this is the sort of "hit-and-run" reply that I can't quite understand--

Ithildriel said to JW,

"I can't phathom it, yet I see multiple posts where you tell him how you think his board should be run.  I saw at least one post where you told ghostal 'How about you do me a favor and start policing the deliberate attacks.'

"It isn't the first time in the past 6 or so years that I've been at nytram's that I have seen you running such a campaign. I can't decide if you keep doing the same thing over and over because you don't remember that you have said these things before to no avail, or you really think if you say it enough you will change the way the 'deliberate attacks are policed'." 

Yet, when JW requests that Ithildriel provide links to those multiple posts, which truly, folks, is not unreasonable, is it?, she replies with

"Not going to happen.  This is my last post on the matter.  I really don't care about this conversation enough to read through your post history to find them."

 

 


 


 You don't understand my reply?  Here I will explain it to you.

It may be a reasonable request, but I'm not required to grant it.  I stated my opinion, and left it at that.  I did not attack jw, or "hit" him as you put it. I was stating my view of how I have perceived multiple posts of his.  I am completely fine with him having the last word saying that the posts don't exist.    

I am not going to expend the energy to search through the posts of someone I don't particularly care to read in the first place, to find the posts where I felt he was trying to tell nytram how to run the board, when I KNOW he is going to come back and say that I misinterpreted them?  Furthering ANY discussion with jw is an act in futility for me.  To me, it's not about changing someone's mind, it's about attempting to see things from their point of view.  JW has already expressed that he doesn't believe that he has made posts telling nytram how he feels he should run the board.  Spending my precious time finding them and posting them is not going to change his mind about it, and I have no faith that he will see my point of view.  JW and I do not have any type of significant relationship, so attempts to have him see my point of view are not necessary to me.

You and I do have a relationship that is significant to me, which is why I did take the time to reply to you on the topic.  I do have faith that you will attempt to see my point of view, whether you agree with it or not.  Forgive me if I dont comment on this matter again.  If you or anyone else needs further clarification on why I contributed to this thread at all, it will have to remain a mystery.  Im done explaining myself. 



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nytram wrote:
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What I say, I can control.  HOW you read it is out of my hands.

 

There's that obfuscating garbage that so endears you to this community.

You want people to stop reading between the lines? Stop writing between the lines. Say what you mean and stop assuming every one else is too stupid to know your true intent. 


 

 Anyone who sees anything between the lines in my writing is too stupid to see my intent.  I'll say it one more time.  I mean EXACTLY what I say and NOTHING more, or less, than the words I put there state.

 

How many times do I need to say it...



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 How many times do I need to say it...

 How many times do you have to repeat a lie before it becomes the truth?

 



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nytram wrote:
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 How many times do I need to say it...

 How many times do you have to repeat a lie before it becomes the truth?

 


 I'll tell you what; let's pretend you're right.  Give me one example where I have said something that has one of these so-called between-the-lines messages.

 



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JW wrote:
 How many times do I need to say it...

 How many times do you have to repeat a lie before it becomes the truth?

 


 I'll tell you what; let's pretend you're right.  Give me one example where I have said something that has one of these so-called between-the-lines messages.

 


 

I've given you examples. Others have given you examples. To do so again would be a monumental waste of time.

 

This conversation is over.

 



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nytram wrote:
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JW wrote:
 How many times do I need to say it...

 How many times do you have to repeat a lie before it becomes the truth?

 


 I'll tell you what; let's pretend you're right.  Give me one example where I have said something that has one of these so-called between-the-lines messages.

 


 

I've given you examples. Others have given you examples. To do so again would be a monumental waste of time.

 

This conversation is over.

 


 

 As usual, hit and run...



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JW wrote:

 As usual, hit and run...


You have been given the examples you asked for... many times. You refuse to acknowledge the validity of those examples on the basis of some bizzare form of reasoning unique to you. You then pose the same challenge again as if it had never been met.

This behavior marks you as either a troll or insane. Which is it?

 



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nytram wrote:
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 As usual, hit and run...


You have been given the examples you asked for... many times. You refuse to acknowledge the validity of those examples on the basis of some bizzare form of reasoning unique to you. You then pose the same challenge again as if it had never been met.

This behavior marks you as either a troll or insane. Which is it?

 


 am sure it can be both....and trolling is a no-no, no?

 



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nytram wrote:
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 As usual, hit and run...


You have been given the examples you asked for... many times. You refuse to acknowledge the validity of those examples on the basis of some bizzare form of reasoning unique to you. You then pose the same challenge again as if it had never been met.

This behavior marks you as either a troll or insane. Which is it?

 


 If it is true that I have been shown these things before, it should be a simple matter to reitterate them.  If this is an habitual behavior of mine, it should not be difficult to find the evidence I have requested.

The last accusaqtion you made against me turned out to be a lie.  This one will as well.  Is it being exposed that frightens you so persistently?

Freedom of speech entails some basic responsibilities.  One of those is that fundamental truth be respected.  Making accusations and never providing proof of them is hardly an exercise of free speech.  It is your M.O.



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JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:

 As usual, hit and run...


You have been given the examples you asked for... many times. You refuse to acknowledge the validity of those examples on the basis of some bizzare form of reasoning unique to you. You then pose the same challenge again as if it had never been met.

This behavior marks you as either a troll or insane. Which is it?

 


 If it is true that I have been shown these things before, it should be a simple matter to reitterate them.  If this is an habitual behavior of mine, it should not be difficult to find the evidence I have requested.

The last accusaqtion you made against me turned out to be a lie.  This one will as well.  Is it being exposed that frightens you so persistently?

Freedom of speech entails some basic responsibilities.  One of those is that fundamental truth be respected.  Making accusations and never providing proof of them is hardly an exercise of free speech.  It is your M.O.


 There is none so blind as those who will not see.

As Nytram stated, and I will vouch for (and others also can, but it's up to them if they care to), you have been provided many examples, many times.  And  always, as Nytram so succintly and precisely put it, you utilized a bizarre form of logic (and obfucation) unique to you to act as if it were never done.

There is no reason to think that this time would be any different.  No reason whatsoever.

Time's up.

 



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JW wrote:
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 As usual, hit and run...


You have been given the examples you asked for... many times. You refuse to acknowledge the validity of those examples on the basis of some bizzare form of reasoning unique to you. You then pose the same challenge again as if it had never been met.

This behavior marks you as either a troll or insane. Which is it?

 


 If it is true that I have been shown these things before, it should be a simple matter to reitterate them.  If this is an habitual behavior of mine, it should not be difficult to find the evidence I have requested.

The last accusaqtion you made against me turned out to be a lie.  This one will as well.  Is it being exposed that frightens you so persistently?

Freedom of speech entails some basic responsibilities.  One of those is that fundamental truth be respected.  Making accusations and never providing proof of them is hardly an exercise of free speech.  It is your M.O.


 

Troll it is. Goodbye. 



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