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My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

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 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


 Being an agnostic, unlike atheists, I have no religion.  I can see both sides and both have their points but they are opposite points.  The only answer to opposite points is tolerance of both sides from both sides.



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JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

883b9b94b6013c814e745a553324ea9ffdc555fe1725a01d94bea16f9b355483.jpg


 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


 Being an agnostic, unlike atheists, I have no religion.  I can see both sides and both have their points but they are opposite points.  The only answer to opposite points is tolerance of both sides from both sides.


 Agnostic is bullshit. You are a believer. Atheists have no religion. You do.



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nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

883b9b94b6013c814e745a553324ea9ffdc555fe1725a01d94bea16f9b355483.jpg


 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


I am confused. None of us who have a religion to follow have ever gone on and on ad nauseum about out religion. Nytram you are the  one making all the fuss. You are the one calling names out here and belittling the rest of us, on so many other threads on the same balderdash. I have yet to see anyone starting a religious post until you started since Christmas being fed up with all religions.

 

I agree with Borchester this is not a fun board to come to.blankstarehmmno Borchester please do not leave the board. sniff sniff. crycry

AS far as the title of this thread. I agree if the law says no religious monuments it  should be moved perhaps donated to a church. Hey be happy they will not be putting it on your property.aww So sorry Cap't  but I couldn't resist. Seriously I enjoy many topics posted here and I like and admire and most of all respect their views. Each and every one. Remember we have been here through thick and thin for so many years now.   We are family.

I got to go for now... its just too depressing.

Uni over and out and gone.........



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Enchanted_Unicorn wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

883b9b94b6013c814e745a553324ea9ffdc555fe1725a01d94bea16f9b355483.jpg


 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


I am confused. None of us who have a religion to follow have ever gone on and on ad nauseum about out religion. Nytram you are the  one making all the fuss. You are the one calling names out here and belittling the rest of us, on so many other threads on the same balderdash. I have yet to see anyone starting a religious post until you started since Christmas being fed up with all religions.

 

I agree with Borchester this is not a fun board to come to.blankstarehmmno Borchester please do not leave the board. sniff sniff. crycry

AS far as the title of this thread. I agree if the law says no religious monuments it  should be moved perhaps donated to a church. Hey be happy they will not be putting it on your property.aww So sorry Cap't  but I couldn't resist. Seriously I enjoy many topics posted here and I like and admire and most of all respect their views. Each and every one. Remember we have been here through thick and thin for so many years now.   We are family.

I got to go for now... its just too depressing.

Uni over and out and gone.........


 Our dear boy nytram has an obsession with religion and needs to express it here because anyone else would punch him in the nose. Others do not start religious posts because they know nytram will set up his soapbox. Dont let it offend you, hes as obsessed and blinded as the religious zealots he hates.



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nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

883b9b94b6013c814e745a553324ea9ffdc555fe1725a01d94bea16f9b355483.jpg


 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


 Being an agnostic, unlike atheists, I have no religion.  I can see both sides and both have their points but they are opposite points.  The only answer to opposite points is tolerance of both sides from both sides.


 Agnostic is bullshit. You are a believer. Atheists have no religion. You do.


Now ur just being silly.   Ya cant just make up your own definitions for words Agnostics are the most logical of the lot, they accept nothing.



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nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
nytram wrote:
JW wrote:
My beef is with the people who just can't leave anything religious alone, whoever they may be.

 You zealots want us heathens to let you be? Follow the eleventh commandment.

 


 The eleventh commandment... sorry, if I don't like some Republican, I will say so.


 The eleventh commandment

883b9b94b6013c814e745a553324ea9ffdc555fe1725a01d94bea16f9b355483.jpg


 As soon as atheists keep their religion to themselves!





More bullshit from the religious right. Atheists aren't trying to change your beliefs.

Pray at home or pray in your tax-exempt churches, just keep it to yourselves. Put your idols on public land, try to teach your beliefs in our schools or try to make your religion law and all bets are off.


 Being an agnostic, unlike atheists, I have no religion.  I can see both sides and both have their points but they are opposite points.  The only answer to opposite points is tolerance of both sides from both sides.


 Agnostic is bullshit. You are a believer. Atheists have no religion. You do.


 Agnostic is a tacit admission of ignorance.  Since it impossible to prove either way, only agnosticism is not a religion.  Both others rely entirely on belief, ergo, religions.



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Agnostic is a tacit admission of ignorance.  Since it impossible to prove either way, only agnosticism is not a religion.  Both others rely entirely on belief, ergo, religions.

Wrong again. Trust in science is confidence in proven method. Agnosticism is waffling. Religion is superstition.

"Impossible to prove either way" is a cop-out. It's impossible to prove The Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy don't exist either and if you were going to be honest you would have to admit you don't believe for a moment they really do. Why should anyone give the belief in a god any more credence?



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Agnostic is a tacit admission of ignorance.  Since it impossible to prove either way, only agnosticism is not a religion.  Both others rely entirely on belief, ergo, religions.

Wrong again. Trust in science is confidence in proven method. Agnosticism is waffling. Religion is superstition.

"Impossible to prove either way" is a cop-out. It's impossible to prove The Easter Bunny or The Tooth Fairy don't exist either and if you were going to be honest you would have to admit you don't believe for a moment they really do. Why should anyone give the belief in a god any more credence?


 A creator god is very different.  It posits a relationship with reality which superceeds all provability.  It defines a being that necessarily existed prior to the reality within which we are confined.  All other supernatural constructs exist within our reality and are subject to proof.  God is not subject to proof.  You can argue that religion is true or false.  Religion is a human artifact just like the Easter Bunny but god is a different matter.

Science is a means of measuring reality.  Science is a struggle to comprehend and uncover the underpinnings of reality.  It is confined to reality.  God isn't.  Science cannot measure something outside of reality.  It can only speculate.  No true scientist would bypass the entire scientific method to reach a conclusion directly from nothing more than speculation.  Since there can be nothing more than speculation, no strict scientist would ever be an atheist.

Atheism is a belief system in exactly the same way that religion is a belief system.  The single exception to that is a person who has never thought about the concept of god...if such a person exists.



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I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.

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Kat wrote:

I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.


 There is no reason we can't all choose our own paths and as long as everyone respects that possibility, we can have peace.  Accepting or rejecting god is a personal matter and should not be subject to condemnation from either side.



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JW wrote:
Kat wrote:

I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.


 There is no reason we can't all choose our own paths and as long as everyone respects that possibility, we can have peace.  Accepting or rejecting god is a personal matter and should not be subject to condemnation from either side.


 

 I totally agree JW.  I just don't understand why you and nytram keep getting into these circular arguments about it. nytram doesn't believe.  You are a believer.  Why not be like Sully and I?  It's not like this is the AP and the outcome of the argument really matters and will influence millions.



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Kat wrote:
JW wrote:
Kat wrote:

I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.


 There is no reason we can't all choose our own paths and as long as everyone respects that possibility, we can have peace.  Accepting or rejecting god is a personal matter and should not be subject to condemnation from either side.


 

 I totally agree JW.  I just don't understand why you and nytram keep getting into these circular arguments about it. nytram doesn't believe.  You are a believer.  Why not be like Sully and I?  It's not like this is the AP and the outcome of the argument really matters and will influence millions.


 I have never raised the subject but I do respond.  An agnostic is not a believer, he's a wonderer.  An atheist is a believer because there is no proof for that conclusion.



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blankstareJW wrote:
Kat wrote:
JW wrote:
Kat wrote:

I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.


 There is no reason we can't all choose our own paths and as long as everyone respects that possibility, we can have peace.  Accepting or rejecting god is a personal matter and should not be subject to condemnation from either side.


 

 I totally agree JW.  I just don't understand why you and nytram keep getting into these circular arguments about it. nytram doesn't believe.  You are a believer.  Why not be like Sully and I?  It's not like this is the AP and the outcome of the argument really matters and will influence millions.


 I have never raised the subject but I do respond.  An agnostic is not a believer, he's a wonderer.  An atheist is a believer because there is no proof for that conclusion.


In the strictest sense of the definition an atheist is one who believes there is no god or deities.  So I guess if we twist things about then nytram is a believer but that is disingenuous.  blankstare  I also noticed that in a few of the definitions agnostic is a synonym for atheist.  

 

 

 

 



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Kat wrote:
blankstareJW wrote:
Kat wrote:
JW wrote:
Kat wrote:

I've thought about the concept of god and rejected it. My spouse is very spiritual--not religious. He has a personal relationship with the god of his understanding--who is Jesus. He was raised Catholic but rejects the concept of the priest as a middle man--meaning he doesn't believe he has to confess his sins to any mortal. I respect his beliefs and he respects mine. I've seen how his belief sustains and comforts him. I am envious sometimes. We can all get along in this world with respect.

There is a reason we were taught not to discuss religion, politics and how much we paid for anything. :)

Peace.


 There is no reason we can't all choose our own paths and as long as everyone respects that possibility, we can have peace.  Accepting or rejecting god is a personal matter and should not be subject to condemnation from either side.


 

 I totally agree JW.  I just don't understand why you and nytram keep getting into these circular arguments about it. nytram doesn't believe.  You are a believer.  Why not be like Sully and I?  It's not like this is the AP and the outcome of the argument really matters and will influence millions.


 I have never raised the subject but I do respond.  An agnostic is not a believer, he's a wonderer.  An atheist is a believer because there is no proof for that conclusion.


In the strictest sense of the definition an atheist is one who believes there is no god or deities.  So I guess if we twist things about then nytram is a believer but that is disingenuous.  blankstare  I also noticed that in a few of the definitions agnostic is a synonym for atheist.  

 

 

 

 


 An agnostic can lean either way but cannot be either one.  Agnostic literally means unknown or without knowledge.  If one fully realizes the logical implications, agnosticism is the only satisfactory intellectual stance to take.  That is not an emotionally satisfying conclusion unless one can keep the consideration of god on a purely intellectual level.  People seem to need to believe in something.  I believe in logic.  Most agnostics do.  Atheists believe there is no god and imagine that is not a belief.  Believers in God/gods willingly surrender to the only solution that answers all of their questions.

Put another way, agnostics are waiting for an answer, the others have found their answers.



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A creator god is very different.

 No, It's not.

JW wrote:
Science is a means of measuring reality.

 Agreed.

JW wrote:
God is not subject to proof.

I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject.

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I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject.

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 Hallelujah!

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I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject.

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 Hallelujah!

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Yeah, if I knew when to shut up I probably wouldn't be twice divorced.

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Well, I'm glad that's over. :)

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I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject.

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 Hallelujah!

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Praise the Lord!! biggrinbiggrin 



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I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject.

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 Hallelujah!

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Praise the Lord!! biggrinbiggrin 


 

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