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WASHINGTON Returning to his bellicose trade rhetoric, U.S. President Donald Trump warned Friday that he would cause the ruination of Canada if he imposed tariffs on Canadian-made cars

Trump issued the threat as North American Free Trade Agreement talks continued in Washington without a deal. He has repeatedly threatened to hit Canada with the auto tariffs if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau does not make concessions, though he has never before used such dire language.

On Air Force One on his way to a Republican fundraising event in North Dakota, Trump said, Canada has been ripping us off for a long time. Now, theyve got to treat us fairly.

I dont want to do anything bad to Canada. I can all I have to do is tax their cars, it would be devastating. If I tax cars coming in from Canada, it would be devastating, he continued, according to a pool reporter travelling with him.

Trumps rhetoric escalated further in the North Dakota speech. After saying he is working on a deal with Canada, he said, We cannot continue to get ripped off like weve been ripped off before.

Actually, on some countries, including Canada, a tax on cars would be the ruination of the country, he said. That's how big it is. It'd be the ruination of the country. Now, they've taken advantage of us for many decades. We can't let this happen anymore. We have a country to run.

Trump made clear, as he has before, that he sees the auto tariff threat as an effective tool in trade talks. He claimed that whenever he threatens such tariffs, negotiators from other countries surrender to his desires: Well do it! Well do it! Well agree! Well agree!

To date, the threat has not been that effective with Canada.

Canadian economists do not think U.S. auto tariffs would ruin Canada, but they have predicted a major economic hit. A TD Economics analysis in June forecast a job loss of 160,000, almost all of them in Ontario. Scotiabank said the tariffs could reduce Canadian growth by more than a quarter.

Trudeaus government warned in July that it would retaliate against any auto tariffs from Trump. Canada has numerous U.S. allies on the issue: Trumps proposal to use a national security law to impose tariffs on foreign cars has been opposed by every major segment of the U.S. auto industry, from domestic automarkers to dealership owners.

Canadian officials sent pessimistic signals on Friday about the possibility of an imminent deal with the U.S. on NAFTA.

After an early-afternoon meeting with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland continued to describe the talks as constructive but continued to provide no details. Freeland left open the possibility of another meeting later on Friday.

The talks will likely be paused at least briefly if a deal is not reached by Saturday. Lighthizer, Trumps top trade official, is scheduled to attend meetings in Europe on Monday and then in Argentina later in the week.

There is no immediate deadline pressure on the two sides. The next date of importance is the end of the month: Trump could theoretically abandon talks with Canada and proceed with his deal with Mexico alone as early as the beginning of October.

Freeland has declined to identify the issues standing in the way of a deal. Trumps top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, claimed Friday that the problem was Canadian inflexibility on dairy.

The United States would rather have a trade deal with Canada, but it has to be a good deal, right. And the word that continues to block the deal is M-I-L-K, Kudlow said on Fox Business. Im just saying: let go milk, dairy, drop the barriers, give our farmers a break, and we can fix some other things.

Trudeau said earlier in the week that he would be willing to give incremental ground on dairy, while preserving Canadas protectionist supply management system, if the U.S. were willing to make its own concessions.

A Canadian official who spoke on condition of anonymity on Friday said the dairy issue is indeed one of the matters that has not been resolved. But the official said there are other unresolved issues, too, including Trudeaus two key recent demands.

Trudeau said this week that his red lines are the preservation of the Chapter 19 dispute resolution system, which allows Canada to challenge U.S. duties at an independent panel rather than in U.S. courts, and the preservation of the cultural exemption that allows Canada to favour Canadian music, movies and television, among other cultural products, over U.S. competitors.

Daniel Dale is the Star's Washington bureau chief. He covers U.S. politics and current affairs."

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And around and around we go... Damn! I want this to be over and done fairly for both sides of the free Boarder.

Uni



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And around and around we go... Damn! I want this to be over and done fairly for both sides of the free Boarder.

Uni


 I imagine it will be Uni.

Trump seems to approach every problem with an open mouth but usually settles for not very much. The real fuss seems to be about dairy products and Canadian movies, so the worse that will happen will be a couple of pence on a gallon of milk and a few more films made in LA rather than Toronto.

Something similar happened on this side of the pond. The US negotiators had the EU Commissioners peeing down their trouser legs but ultimately settle for Brussels accepting more American soya beans and some liquified gas.

I don't know why the Donald is so keen on tariffs on cars. I doubt that the Detroit motor workers will vote for him whatever he does. Still that is politics. I dare say everything will blow over after the November elections.



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Trump approaches everything with an open mouth and a closed mind.

What I don't understand is how the president can impose tariffs or anything having to do with finances.  I thought that's one of Congress's jobs.



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What I don't understand is how the president can impose tariffs or anything having to do with finances.  I thought that's one of Congress's jobs.


 Apparently not. There appears to be a loophole in Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 which under certain circumstances allows the president to impose tariffs based on the recommendation from the U.S. Secretary of Commerce if "an article is being imported into the United States in such quantities or under such circumstances as to threaten or impair the national security."[38] This section is rarely used,[38] and has never been invoked since the World Trade Organization was established in 1995.

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KittyBiggerstaff wrote:

What I don't understand is how the president can impose tariffs or anything having to do with finances.  I thought that's one of Congress's jobs.


 Apparently not. There appears to be a loophole in Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 which under certain circumstances allows the president to impose tariffs based on the recommendation from the U.S. Secretary of Commerce if "an article is being imported into the United States in such quantities or under such circumstances as to threaten or impair the national security."[38] This section is rarely used,[38] and has never been invoked since the World Trade Organization was established in 1995.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_tariffs

The Donald has clearly done his homework


 



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The Donald has clearly done his homework



 More likely that he promised to pay someone to do it for him and then refused to deliver, claiming his dog ate it.



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The Donald has clearly done his homework



 More likely that he promised to pay someone to do it for him and then refused to deliver, claiming his dog ate it.


 As opposed to the previous incumbent who didn't do much of anything but who was the right colour at the right time, did a first class job of reading whatever his speech his minders put in front of him and was an anti British pro EU waste of space that could not be trusted to run down to the shops and get twenty fags and return with the right change from a twenty pound note but made Liberal America feel all warm and cuddly.



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boosewell wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
boosewell wrote:

 

The Donald has clearly done his homework



 More likely that he promised to pay someone to do it for him and then refused to deliver, claiming his dog ate it.


 As opposed to the previous incumbent who didn't do much of anything but who was the right colour at the right time, did a first class job of reading whatever his speech his minders put in front of him and was an anti British pro EU waste of space that could not be trusted to run down to the shops and get twenty fags and return with the right change from a twenty pound note but made Liberal America feel all warm and cuddly.


 Psst, Booze, your racism is showing.



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nytram wrote:
boosewell wrote:
KittyBiggerstaff wrote:
boosewell wrote:

 

The Donald has clearly done his homework



 More likely that he promised to pay someone to do it for him and then refused to deliver, claiming his dog ate it.


 As opposed to the previous incumbent who didn't do much of anything but who was the right colour at the right time, did a first class job of reading whatever his speech his minders put in front of him and was an anti British pro EU waste of space that could not be trusted to run down to the shops and get twenty fags and return with the right change from a twenty pound note but made Liberal America feel all warm and cuddly.


 Psst, Booze, your racism is showing.


 Oh fuck off Nytram.

Everything in the US is racist. It is your favourite guilt trip. Thirty years ago you were hunting down blacks and shooting them. Now you are cheering them on when they murder white cops. And in another thirty years buggering cats will be the in thing. You don't have great causes, just fashion statements.



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Thirty years ago you were hunting down blacks and shooting them. 

That's a really fucked up thing to say about someone but I take solace in the knowledge that the fact those words roll so casually off your keyboard says nothing about me but volumes about you. 



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